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[Networking] Budget Router Recommendations for FIOS Gigabit?

Thinking well-nigh switching from Spectrum/TWC to FIOS Gigabit and would like to avoid the $ten monthly router rental if I can find a reasonably priced alternative.

Pocket-sized 2BR flat, volition be streaming Boob tube/Movies on Amazon Prime, and also a fair bit of Torrent/Usenet utilize. Wired connectedness for Idiot box and Computer and WiFi for two phones, iPad, and Nintendo Switch.

Thanks in advance for whatsoever suggestions you can offer!

(Software) pfSense

Budget router and Gigabit don't actually get together if you lot desire full line speed routing. My Netgear R7000 that was $200 at the time I bought it could only route at around 700 - 800Mbps. I just dropped $400 on a custom PfSense router and I get full line speed. The FiOS router isn't horrible and yous can buy it for $140 if y'all desire to avoid the rental. Information technology is capable of full line speed routing.

sd70mac
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bring together:2015-10-18
Woodstock, IL

Netgear CM1200
Linksys WRT1900ACS
Ooma Telo

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to NuMystic

If yous're on a budget, the Ubiquiti routers are cheap but powerful, although they can be a chip more involved to configure. They're routers only, so you need a divide access signal or more for wireless, just they practise have cheaper options for Wi-Fi if you don't care about wireless throughput.

You tin can too build a pfsense/IPFire box for a fairly low cost, and that won't be any more difficult to configure, possibly less. The linked article compares how a diy router stacks upward confronting some commercial offerings. »arstechnica.com/gadgets/ ··· etition/

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Notice an AC68U or R model, flash with newest Shibby Tomato, and be sure to enable "CTF" in options, for hardware NAT.

Mine will practise 900+Mbit/sec in each management, backside a G1100. Perchance it would perform even better if it were the principal router.

llafsroh
join:2012-06-15
Boston, MA

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I bought an ASUS RT-AC55U two speed wireless router/mini-server from Microcenter for $70. It worx keen. 2 USB network access ports work well.

johnm304
join:2002-07-22
Wood Hill, Doctor

to sd70mac

I simply installed a Ubiquiti Edgerouter Calorie-free 3 (ERL3). I paid less than $100. It handles gigabit connection with ease. But I practice agree with your comments... it does take some tinkering to get upwardly and running. I similar doing that kind of stuff, just it'south clearly not for your average consumer. I also installed a Ubiquiti WAP. Coverage is crawly. Simply it takes some configuring to get it up and running. (Full costs for the router and WAP was about $230 from Amazon, but it is a significant upgrade to me over my G1110 router that had issues with 5Ghz.)

I should mention that I'g using Fios TV, but I do not own a single Fios STB. I recollect if you are using a FIOS STB, your option becomes fairly limited.

Having a STB changes zilch. I have STBs and oasis't used the fios router in years, except during the initial activation. Once the box is activated, you don't always have to see that matter again.


Ryan
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join:2001-03-03
Boston, MA

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I highly advise anyone with a gigabit connexion and utilizes UDP services (gamers, VOIP) to stay AWAY from ERL. In that location has been a long standing effect with udp reordering that can cause performance issues (IE rubber banding in games, loss of audio quality in VOIP, etc..) The reason I stress gigabit is actually the issue is when you turn on hardware dispatch which is necessary to really handle gigabit connections. They FINALLY fixed the issue in the latest alpha release, simply this has been a pretty critical outcome that has gone on for FAR FAR FAR also long. I basically stay away from their products now. Currently rolling a QOTOM Q355G4 due west/pfsense installed and a tplink re650 access point, not exactly inexpensive, but holy hell it is prissy!

For more info on the UDP Issues: »community.ubnt.com/t5/Ed ··· /1343012

(Software) pfSense

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Mine is similar to to the Qotom, just a different manufacturer. It wasn't cheap, simply you get what you lot pay for. Routes gig with about zero buffer bloat and plenty of CPU to spare.


Ryan
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join:2001-03-03
Boston, MA

to NuMystic

The ER4 was also just released and looks like an interesting option. Basically 75% faster then the pro for only 199 dollars. Not certain if the UDP bug was specific to the cavium cpu in the erl or cavium cpu's in general so this bug *MAY* be present with that device as well (at least until 1.ten is released anyhow). Information technology is unfortunate considering spec wise that is a fantastic looking router, merely I can't help but feel burned by ubiquiti. Honestly ii+ years to fix a issues that should exist a CORE office of the product you are selling. Could you imagine selling ovens and non have the stove top work for that long?. Too the fact that users noticed the issue and it even fabricated it out to product release is heed extraordinary.

to Ryan
said past Ryan:

I highly advise anyone with a gigabit connection and utilizes UDP services (gamers, VOIP) to stay Abroad from ERL. At that place has been a long standing issue with udp reordering that tin cause functioning issues (IE prophylactic banding in games, loss of audio quality in VOIP, etc..)

For completeness:

• The nature of UDP is that datagrams may or may not even accomplish their destination, let alone make it in order. Applications are expected to handle this properly or otherwise apply TCP if reliable delivery is required.
• Simply specific services, such equally VOIP, may be impacted and non all services have any problems. In fact well-nigh do not.
• This affects all routers based on the aforementioned SoC generation, which includes MikroTik and many others, including consumer-oriented devices.
• The underlying effect was with the Cavium (SoC vendor) SDK, hence the particular above. As well the reason why UBNT (and whatsoever other vendor) have been unable to correct this themselves.
• UBNT provided a workaround that avoids the consequence quite some time ago. Of those that had provided feedback at that place was no detrimental impact to performance with this workaround. This includes those with Gigabit service or otherwise with explicit gigabit-throughput testing.
• The SoC vendor has finally released an SDK with what they believe is a set, and the current beta releases of EdgeOS for the ERs utilize this updated SDK. The issue has thus far indeed been confirmed to be resolved with the current beta firmwares.


aaronwt
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join:2004-xi-07
Woodbridge, VA

Asus RT-N56U
Asus RT-ACRH13

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said by nyctrader:

Budget router and Gigabit don't really go together if y'all want full line speed routing. My Netgear R7000 that was $200 at the time I bought it could only road at around 700 - 800Mbps. I just dropped $400 on a custom PfSense router and I become total line speed. The FiOS router isn't horrible and you can buy information technology for $140 if you want to avoid the rental. It is capable of total line speed routing.

My inexpensive Asus RT-N56U router from 2011 still works keen. It can easily max out a GigE connection on the WAN or LAN. Plus with the custom Padavan software they piece of work fifty-fifty improve than the stock firmware. I'm still amazed that my six year old, inexpensive, router trounces near routers that cost many times equally much today.

I've likewise used a couple in AP mode along with a couple of the RT-N65U units in AP manner

Although I recently removed my two N56U units in AP mode and replaced them with two Asus RT-ACRH13 routers that I use in AP mode for wireless Air conditioning Admission Points. I picked them up for nether $35 each and with their quad core CPU are working great for the low cost I paid.

The RT-ACRH13 units are working so well and provide so much coverage, that I might try removing my two N65U units and run into how but the two RT-ACRH13 units work with both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz WiFi with my dozens of devices.

(Software) pfSense

What's your buffer bloat like? If you lot're on Windows, you can open a command prompt and type: ping Google.com -t . That will practise a continuous ping. Take note of the ping times. While that'due south running, do a speed test and note what the ping times increase to. (Control+C will terminate the continuous ping when you're done). A good router will only have an increment of a few milliseconds.

said by nyctrader:

What's your buffer bloat like? If yous're on Windows, you lot can open up a command prompt and type: ping Google.com -t . That volition do a continuous ping. Take annotation of the ping times. While that'due south running, do a speed test and note what the ping times increase to. (Control+C will cease the continuous ping when you lot're done). A good router will only accept an increase of a few milliseconds.

That is so limited in scope that it isn't relevant.

In that location are many factors that come into play. To start with FiOS gigabit is provided via GPON which (like the entire internet) is a shared service. Typically 16 or even 32 households can share a unmarried GPON port which provides 2Gb downstream (provider -> clients) and 1Gb upstream (clients -> provider). Utilise by others on your split up combined with GPON profiles volition have a considerable impact beyond your router.

Each routing point between you and your ping destination (google.com in this example?) volition farther potentially impact latentencies and potential buffer-bloat.

And for what information technology is worth, buffer-bloat is far over-emphasized. I've seen those spending days of countless attempt to heighten their artificial speed-examination grade from an 'A' to an 'A+' when they weren't even seeing any result with even a 'B' grade.

Speed tests and the like are intended to be used every bit a diagnostic utility to help when problems are seen.

And for what it is worth, if "device a" is meeting the end-user's needs just fine then why should irrelevant artificial tests be introduced as a comparison? Each person's needs are different and at that place is no single solution that suits for everyone.


Ryan
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join:2001-03-03
Boston, MA

to Shady Bimmer
said by Shady Bimmer:

For completeness:

• The nature of UDP is that datagrams may or may not even reach their destination, permit lone arrive in gild. Applications are expected to handle this properly or otherwise use TCP if reliable delivery is required.
• Merely specific services, such every bit VOIP, may be impacted and not all services accept any bug. In fact most do not.
• This affects all routers based on the same SoC generation, which includes MikroTik and many others, including consumer-oriented devices.
• The underlying effect was with the Cavium (SoC vendor) SDK, hence the detail above. Likewise the reason why UBNT (and whatever other vendor) have been unable to correct this themselves.
• UBNT provided a workaround that avoids the issue quite some time ago. Of those that had provided feedback there was no detrimental impact to performance with this workaround. This includes those with Gigabit service or otherwise with explicit gigabit-throughput testing.
• The SoC vendor has finally released an SDK with what they believe is a gear up, and the electric current beta releases of EdgeOS for the ERs use this updated SDK. The issue has thus far indeed been confirmed to be resolved with the electric current beta firmwares.

Sorry, but I call back your understating the result quite a scrap. Yes that is the unabridged nature of UDP, merely to the degree this was happening tin can and did (for me) cause bug with diverse games and for others VOIP services.

I realize the issue was with Cavium, only Ubiquiti likewise decided to utilise that cpu in their product and sell it. They're responsible for making sure their product works every bit advertised including the components they decided to integrate. The issue should accept been worked out with Cavium a lot faster or recalls/refunds should have been made to those impacted and more sensation/communication about the effect should accept been done. 2+ years we are talking on a production they continued to sell and market place without piddling advert most UDP basically being broken.. The workaround y'all mention was to basically disable the other CPU if I recall, which severely limits the advertised performance. They're honestly lucky they weren't hit with a grade activity..

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to Shady Bimmer

Only saying its irrelevant doesn't make it and then. The routing points between you and Google don't change based on how saturated your "terminal mile" connectedness is. Its absolutely a adept measure of the functioning of your router. Its not the only measure, but is one.

Many people live with and are happy with a certain level of performance because they remember that's but how its supposed to be. Better is better no matter what ane's perspective is.

to Ryan
said past Ryan:

Deplorable, simply I retrieve your understating the upshot quite a bit. Yes that is the entire nature of UDP, but to the degree this was happening can and did (for me) cause problems with various games and for others VOIP services.

I have done a fleck of research on the outcome and empathize it well.

No your agreement of the workaround is not correct and it does non disable whatever CPUs which was a common misconception. Every bit a real-world case there are many that take verified they experienced no performance impact using the workaround.

In fact, based on my understanding of the issue such a workaround could even improve performance up to a threshold. That threshold was the business concern and to date nobody has been able to actually hit that with this workaround, even on an ERL.

UBNT was at the sole mercy of Cavium - they are non the but customer and are only a pocket-size consumer of Cavium sales. Every bit already noted there are many devices that are similarly impacted. In that location are a few threads in the UBNT forums where this was tested with several devices and confirmed, yet nobody ever complained about those other cases. And with respect to those other devices, very few are likely to see a set: MikroTik and UBNT are about the merely ones where this would be expected.

And no, UDP is not "cleaved". There are a very large number of WISPs and similar providers using UBNT gear that do non have any problems, nor take their respective clients. Such re-ordering is non uncommon on the internet. The issue hither is that a Cavium-based ER would itself forward enough datagrams out of guild to be noticed past specific services at times. The issue had really existed for years prior (on other devices) without complaint. . .

The issue was actually blown out of proportion - non that at that place weren't those that were impacted but it was fabricated out to exist a much bigger deal than information technology really was (is).


Ryan
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join:2001-03-03
Boston, MA

Ryan

Premium Member

Guess will agree to disagree.. For me and the mode I use UDP (for online gaming) dealing with condom banding and others having audio cut in and out with voip is the very definition of broken. UDP and the applications that use it are meant to handle this to a certain caste, only for you to put this on the application not handling information technology as it should is absurd.

The fact of the matter is I never experienced this with inexpensive routers I've used in the by nor my pfsense box. I spent money for a device with know issues that was and is continued to be sold. I can't speak for other devices that use them, but they too should be responsible for supporting their customer base of operations. Over again if they're at the mercy of cavium so refund those who are affected.

There were reasons I didn't practice the workaround, but don't call back exactly what it was. Maybe tomorrow I will dig through the thread again as I could accept sworn in that location were issues resulting from it.. Regardless I concluded up eating the 100 dollars switched to pfsense and chosen it a mean solar day.

People who read this can at to the lowest degree make up one's mind if this is acceptable to them prior to purchasing, something I wasn't aware of..

to aaronwt

First I just want to thank everyone for the replies!

said by aaronwt:
said by nyctrader:

Budget router and Gigabit don't really get together if you lot want full line speed routing. My Netgear R7000 that was $200 at the time I bought information technology could only route at around 700 - 800Mbps. I but dropped $400 on a custom PfSense router and I become total line speed. The FiOS router isn't horrible and you lot can purchase it for $140 if you want to avoid the rental. It is capable of full line speed routing.

My cheap Asus RT-N56U router from 2011 however works peachy. Information technology can easily max out a GigE connection on the WAN or LAN. Plus with the custom Padavan software they work even better than the stock firmware. I'm still amazed that my vi yr old, inexpensive, router trounces most routers that cost many times as much today.

Looks similar I can get 1 of these for less than $twenty shipped on eBay!

Would this exist a good pick for someone that needs an all-in-1 Modem/Router? (Fios Gigabit connected via Ethernet to iMac and Roku along with 2 iPhones and an iPad over wi-fi)

I don't need even close to max speed on the wi-fi devices merely would like to go a skillful fast connection for the Telly and Desktop.

I won't be gaming online and so that's no business concern. Just matter that speed will affair for is streaming movies/idiot box and downloads.

I'thou reasonably tech savvy but have little to no networking feel autonomously from following a tutorial on PortForward.com when needed a few times to become a torrent customer connectable.

Not knowledgable to do any kind of optimizing myself but if it's something simple enough that folks hither can requite me a footstep by step I'm sure I'll be able to manage it.


aaronwt
Premium Member
bring together:2004-eleven-07
Woodbridge, VA

Asus RT-N56U
Asus RT-ACRH13

aaronwt

Premium Member

said by NuMystic:

Offset I just want to thank everyone for the replies!

said by aaronwt:
said by nyctrader:

Budget router and Gigabit don't really go together if you want full line speed routing. My Netgear R7000 that was $200 at the time I bought it could only route at effectually 700 - 800Mbps. I just dropped $400 on a custom PfSense router and I get full line speed. The FiOS router isn't horrible and you can purchase information technology for $140 if you want to avert the rental. It is capable of full line speed routing.

My cheap Asus RT-N56U router from 2011 still works great. It can easily max out a GigE connection on the WAN or LAN. Plus with the custom Padavan software they work even meliorate than the stock firmware. I'm still amazed that my 6 year old, inexpensive, router trounces near routers that cost many times as much today.

Looks like I can get one of these for less than $20 shipped on eBay!

Would this be a skilful selection for someone that needs an all-in-ane Modem/Router? (Fios Gigabit connected via Ethernet to iMac and Roku along with two iPhones and an iPad over wi-fi)

I don't need even close to max speed on the wi-fi devices but would like to get a good fast connectedness for the TV and Desktop.

I won't be gaming online and then that'south no business organization. Only thing that speed will thing for is streaming movies/television receiver and downloads.

I'thousand reasonably tech savvy but have footling to no networking experience apart from following a tutorial on PortForward.com when needed a few times to get a torrent client connectable.

Not knowledgable to do whatever kind of optimizing myself but if it's something elementary enough that folks here can requite me a footstep by step I'm sure I'll exist able to manage it.

Yeah. The N56U with the PAdavan software works extremely well. It provides a solid two.4Ghz or 5Ghz wireless Northward signal. And provides solid streaming from whatsoever streaming device I've used. And is very inexpensive. And provides very high throughput over the WAN and LAN. I will continue using mine as long as possible since it has been so stable over the years and has provided fast and reliable speeds.

johnm304
bring together:2002-07-22
Woods Hill, MD

to Ryan

Tin you draw what y'all were seeing in games? I googled "rubber banding", only I'grand not a gamer. Did information technology appear for all games? PC vs. panel? Like I said, I'm not a gamer, merely my son uses his Xbox One frequently. (I haven't heard any complaints from him... and he usually lets me know if something isn't 100% right!).

I installed my ERL most 2 weeks ago. Firmware is 1.9.7+hotfix.4

Thanks for the info.


Ryan
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join:2001-03-03
Boston, MA


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said by johnm304:

Tin can you describe what you lot were seeing in games? I googled "safe banding", only I'chiliad not a gamer. Did it appear for all games? PC vs. console? Like I said, I'm not a gamer, but my son uses his Xbox One oftentimes. (I haven't heard any complaints from him... and he usually lets me know if something isn't 100% right!).

I installed my ERL about 2 weeks agone. Firmware is 1.9.7+hotfix.4

Thanks for the info.

Rubber banding is typically what is seen with FPS/TPPS when in that location is heavy latency or a lot of packet loss betwixt you and the servers OR other players. UDP is used for this very reason small packet loss may not even noticeable, heavy loss in this case can cause visual discrepancies instead of all out disconnection.

Here is an example youtube video of Safety banding. In this example this was due to server performance, only you become the thought. At the end of the video you see the other player "Rubber Band" back to a unlike position. This is caused from discrepancies between either yourself, the other actor, or server. With the ERL this was basically a discrepancy betwixt what you lot are seeing and the residual of the players/server. It wasn't all the fourth dimension either as the nature of UDP makes it resilient, just it would happen a good 3 or 4 times for each hour long session (sometimes more sometimes less).

»www.youtube.com/lookout man?five= ··· WdmZNMtA


Rax
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join:2003-11-13
Floral Park, NY

to nyctrader

I have the R7000 with latest firmware and pull 950 mb both means. The Netgear R7000 seems fine for gigabit and I get an A+ for my connection on the speedtest and A for bufferbloat with no QOS. ON my phone with 5g I go about 475 mb

to aaronwt

So this router here:

»world wide web.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-RT ··· qbxaRFQ5

And then I need to update the firmware with this:
»bitbucket.org/padavan/rt-n56u

I can do this with an iMac aye? Windows is not required?


aaronwt
Premium Member
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

Asus RT-N56U
Asus RT-ACRH13

aaronwt

Premium Member

No idea about an iMac since I use Windows PCs.

But yes only download from the download folio.
»bitbucket.org/padavan/rt ··· wnloads/

I typically just utilize the base version with mine.

Only make certain you download the correct 1 that matches the version of the router yous have.

sd70mac
Premium Member
join:2015-10-18
Woodstock, IL

to NuMystic

Most routers don't demand a utility to upload new firmware, but a wired connection between the computer uploading the firmware and navigating to the firmware upload page, then selecting the firmware and clicking upload is plenty.


Ryan
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join:2001-03-03
Boston, MA

to johnm304
said past johnm304:

Tin yous describe what you were seeing in games? I googled "rubber banding", only I'm non a gamer. Did information technology appear for all games? PC vs. panel? Like I said, I'm not a gamer, but my son uses his Xbox One frequently. (I oasis't heard any complaints from him... and he usually lets me know if something isn't 100% correct!).

I installed my ERL about 2 weeks agone. Firmware is 1.ix.vii+hotfix.4

Cheers for the info.

Simply a heads upwards v1.x.0 just hit beta which your costless to sign upwardly for if you lot are having the issue. I would expect an actual release in the not so distant time to come making the ERL feasible again.

EdgeOS 1.x has been beta for about three weeks, and was alpha for a scrap before that. The second beta was released well-nigh a week agone.

There are still a few wrinkles being worked out since there is a bit of change from ane.9.7, just it may be worth signing up for early access and giving it a run now for non-critical installs.

tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

to NuMystic

Whatever 1900 wifi router with Gigabit Ethernet wan/lan should be the minimum, most likely you'll desire a 2600+ wifi router for some future proofing. Just brand sure they run you some ethernet wires to wire upwardly the router.


Ryan
Premium Member
join:2001-03-03
Boston, MA

to NuMystic

FYI had a hardware issue with my QOTOM and had to put my ERL back in service. I ended up grabbing the beta patch 1.10 beta2 and the issue is 100% solved so far the beta firmware has been very stable.

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